White vs. Black....
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White vs. Black....
gi? Is one more traditional then the other?
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Gene DeMambro
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If you look at early (turn of the century and before, give or take) photos of judo masters, they wore dark colored hakamas and kimonos as work out attire. This is evident in the book Kodokan Judo, where Jigoro Kano (the founder of Judo) performs Kishiki No Kata in a dark colored hakama and top. The pics are in B & W, so you really can't tell what color they are. However, there are also pics of Mr. Kano wearing a modern looking judo gi in the same book. So take your pick. His white, cotton judo gi is prominently displayed in the Kodokan hall in Japan.
In competition judo, one wears white and the other wears blue. This is so the ref can tell who is who during groundfighting, etc.
Dark colored attire is still standard fare in Iaido practice. White typically isn't worn until the higher ranks (4th or 5th Dan), and then only a white top is typically worn.
Many of the Classical older jujitsu, kobudo and koryu schools still use dark colored attire during their practices and demos.
Take your pick!
Gene
In competition judo, one wears white and the other wears blue. This is so the ref can tell who is who during groundfighting, etc.
Dark colored attire is still standard fare in Iaido practice. White typically isn't worn until the higher ranks (4th or 5th Dan), and then only a white top is typically worn.
Many of the Classical older jujitsu, kobudo and koryu schools still use dark colored attire during their practices and demos.
Take your pick!
Gene
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Bill Glasheen
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Van
Would you believe that Kwon doesn't make the green color of that "self defense" gi any more? Bummer...
The idea behind the green gi was to make a heavy duty, all-purpose uniform that a mixed martial artist could use outside at, say, karate camps. These days, all they have is a top in red...
...and the full gis in white and black...
Here's the text for the black gi...
- Bill
Would you believe that Kwon doesn't make the green color of that "self defense" gi any more? Bummer...
The idea behind the green gi was to make a heavy duty, all-purpose uniform that a mixed martial artist could use outside at, say, karate camps. These days, all they have is a top in red...
...and the full gis in white and black...
Here's the text for the black gi...
And you thought my green gi got Jimmy teasing me...Self-defense uniform
Extremely tough 12 oz. 100% cotton material. This suit has been designed to satisfy the requirements of self-defense competition. Traditionally-cut jacket with reinforced shoulders, underarms and lapels. Trousers with elasticated waistband and additional drawstring. Kick gusset provides excellent freedom of movement for legs.
USD 75,90-85,90
- Bill
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Tony-San
What's so trad about white except that it picks up grass stains better than any other color??? I love black with a touch of orange and a slight smear of white. Hang on, I'll see if I can find and then scan-in an old retired favorite non-white gi of mine. Be right back...
I remember the green gis at summer camp one year that hid the grass stains quite nicely, and there was even a camo gi that was very military-like. I think it was Bill who was advertising both the green and camo gis for summer camp 3-4 years back. That was a good idea that just didn't catch on.
Here we go. I forgot I had this old canvas one until this post. It's much too tight to wear anymore, but If I loose a few more #, it should fit without suffocating my tiger and without crushing his ribs. But, alas. These days it's probably too radical and non-Uechi. I'm going back to try to remove the splinter that wedged itself in the quick of one of my claws. It's painful.
I remember the green gis at summer camp one year that hid the grass stains quite nicely, and there was even a camo gi that was very military-like. I think it was Bill who was advertising both the green and camo gis for summer camp 3-4 years back. That was a good idea that just didn't catch on.
Here we go. I forgot I had this old canvas one until this post. It's much too tight to wear anymore, but If I loose a few more #, it should fit without suffocating my tiger and without crushing his ribs. But, alas. These days it's probably too radical and non-Uechi. I'm going back to try to remove the splinter that wedged itself in the quick of one of my claws. It's painful.
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Bill Glasheen
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So that's the dude in green whom all the babes were requesting the email address of; I couldn't figure it out at the time. I hope you didn't mind the exposure. I don't remember posting yours in particular although I do remember posting Rich's. I hope you didn't mind, Bill. In retrospect I should have asked first. I believe that was the year that you sponsored the camo gi and the green gi, and quite a few of your students at the summer camp wore them.
Fact, I was impressed with them. They separated youse guys from the rest of the crowd, looked sharp, and were definitely a cut above the standard white cloth. I was surprised that they didn't become popular, and would have liked that to happen -- probably too hot in the noonday sweltering summer sun. Sometimes I get dizzy [a touch of vertigo] from looking at row upon row of white pajamas, and uniformly [pun] colored gis are both a relief and a treat for the eye to behold.
Sometimes karateka get caught-up in the word "tradition," NOT tradition, often times not knowing what tradition is.
I love the visuals at large open tournaments. The variety of gi colors and designs styme the imagination and provide entertainment as well. Two types of gis which always curl the edges of the lips up are the following: the black and white checkerboard style [for those who can't make up their mind what color to wear], and this yellow fringed gi that has these large white fringes that contain a large triangle pattern of fringes horizontal across the chest and the ends go down into a vee near the bellybutton area as well as the same style fringes along the outside of the arms and the outside of the pant legs. I wonder where the Stetson, boots, and six-gun are whenever I see that one. I also wonder what runs through the minds of those who wear off-shoots like those that enable them to wear them in public places. Could be the urge to be different, could be the urge to be recognized as part of a group, and definitely not thoughts to be recognized as a cut above.
I like several styles of TKD gis (dobok), one in particular is the v-neck pull-over. Sometimes fingers get jammed in the traditional top style, and the v-neck removes that problem. Also removes a grappling handle as well.
White gis which have the color of the wearers' belts as the color of the lapels also look attractive and am surprised that style hasn't spread. But I guess it's all in the economy and often most will pursue the cheapest that will fit on their back.
I guess white turns some people on -- the virgin brides of karate.
I've got to go. my meds are starting to kick in and knock me out.
Fact, I was impressed with them. They separated youse guys from the rest of the crowd, looked sharp, and were definitely a cut above the standard white cloth. I was surprised that they didn't become popular, and would have liked that to happen -- probably too hot in the noonday sweltering summer sun. Sometimes I get dizzy [a touch of vertigo] from looking at row upon row of white pajamas, and uniformly [pun] colored gis are both a relief and a treat for the eye to behold.
Sometimes karateka get caught-up in the word "tradition," NOT tradition, often times not knowing what tradition is.
I love the visuals at large open tournaments. The variety of gi colors and designs styme the imagination and provide entertainment as well. Two types of gis which always curl the edges of the lips up are the following: the black and white checkerboard style [for those who can't make up their mind what color to wear], and this yellow fringed gi that has these large white fringes that contain a large triangle pattern of fringes horizontal across the chest and the ends go down into a vee near the bellybutton area as well as the same style fringes along the outside of the arms and the outside of the pant legs. I wonder where the Stetson, boots, and six-gun are whenever I see that one. I also wonder what runs through the minds of those who wear off-shoots like those that enable them to wear them in public places. Could be the urge to be different, could be the urge to be recognized as part of a group, and definitely not thoughts to be recognized as a cut above.
I like several styles of TKD gis (dobok), one in particular is the v-neck pull-over. Sometimes fingers get jammed in the traditional top style, and the v-neck removes that problem. Also removes a grappling handle as well.
White gis which have the color of the wearers' belts as the color of the lapels also look attractive and am surprised that style hasn't spread. But I guess it's all in the economy and often most will pursue the cheapest that will fit on their back.
I guess white turns some people on -- the virgin brides of karate.
I've got to go. my meds are starting to kick in and knock me out.
Always with an even keel.
-- Allen
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Bill Glasheen
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Allen
Since I've always been a nonprofit kind of guy and I'm not (yet) a member of some secret military hit unit or ethnic underworld organization, I'm good with the photo thing.
Of course I don't take your comment about the babes seriously. Adolescence (many moons ago) has a way of beating humility into you. However a funny thing happened at the last camp.
Shelly Dunn's been trying to drum up publicity for the kami he is selling, and he asked me (and others) for a photo holding the kami. Given that I train pretty seriously AND I note with amusement the "muscle" shots that a few unnamed Okinawans like to take of themselves sans shirt holding their kami, I thought I'd camp it up a bit. So I removed gi top, picked the kami up full to the top with sand, flexed the body, and had Vicki take some shots. What the heck, you aren't 40-something forever... It was all in good fun. I gave the "for fun" buff shots to Shelly for his scrapbook at the camp.
So there was Shelly, showing off his scrapbook of all the Uechika holding his kami. He was having fun taking orders. I guess I was a pair of photos amongst dozens. Later than night, after I did my suparinpei kata, a couple of barely teenage girls came up to have me autograph their Uechi book (one of maybe two I gave at the whole camp). One of them got real goofy and said "Oh ****, this is the guy in the pictures!!" I thought nothing of it at the time.
Later that night, Shelly comes up to me with a perplexed look on his face. "You're going to have to give me two more copies of those photos, Bill. Somebody stole them!"
Yea, but will they respect me tomorrow???
BTW, Bruce just sent me some photos he took of me in the green pajamas. Who can I send them to so I can post them?
- Bill
Since I've always been a nonprofit kind of guy and I'm not (yet) a member of some secret military hit unit or ethnic underworld organization, I'm good with the photo thing.
Of course I don't take your comment about the babes seriously. Adolescence (many moons ago) has a way of beating humility into you. However a funny thing happened at the last camp.
Shelly Dunn's been trying to drum up publicity for the kami he is selling, and he asked me (and others) for a photo holding the kami. Given that I train pretty seriously AND I note with amusement the "muscle" shots that a few unnamed Okinawans like to take of themselves sans shirt holding their kami, I thought I'd camp it up a bit. So I removed gi top, picked the kami up full to the top with sand, flexed the body, and had Vicki take some shots. What the heck, you aren't 40-something forever... It was all in good fun. I gave the "for fun" buff shots to Shelly for his scrapbook at the camp.
So there was Shelly, showing off his scrapbook of all the Uechika holding his kami. He was having fun taking orders. I guess I was a pair of photos amongst dozens. Later than night, after I did my suparinpei kata, a couple of barely teenage girls came up to have me autograph their Uechi book (one of maybe two I gave at the whole camp). One of them got real goofy and said "Oh ****, this is the guy in the pictures!!" I thought nothing of it at the time.
Later that night, Shelly comes up to me with a perplexed look on his face. "You're going to have to give me two more copies of those photos, Bill. Somebody stole them!"
Yea, but will they respect me tomorrow???
BTW, Bruce just sent me some photos he took of me in the green pajamas. Who can I send them to so I can post them?
- Bill
"The dobok always reminds me that TKD is a sport. The gi looks good just like the fancy kicks. I’d never be catch dead in one…."
And so us TKD guys will get the chicks whilst you karate folk look dorky.
My midnight blue trim on my gleaming... er its yellow now, used to be white, dobok is gorgeous, just like my fancy kicks.
And so us TKD guys will get the chicks whilst you karate folk look dorky.
My midnight blue trim on my gleaming... er its yellow now, used to be white, dobok is gorgeous, just like my fancy kicks.LOL!!! I read that one with one eye on your avitar - as if HE said that while doing his thing -- and almost fell off my chair in laughter.And so us TKD guys will get the chicks whilst you karate folk look dorky. My midnight blue trim on my gleaming... er its yellow now, used to be white, dobok is gorgeous, just like my fancy kicks.
Most of the TKD/TSD dojangs I've been at have a fairly high percentage of women student so the percentage of hits has to be higher anyway, TSDGuy!
Much TKD, like most martial arts today has degraded into a sport, Karateka, so it has nothing to do with the uniform. However you may not want to find out how sporting the TKD is in DPRK.
Always with an even keel.
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Green Gi
Hi Van,, Bill,,
I also had trouble once trying to find the type and color, Gi I wanted,,
So I found an expert, to make it for me....
I know a great professional custom : Suit,,, Dress,,, Karate Gi,, what
type of clothing one wants,, maker. She is top notch,,, She has made
me a number of custom made Gi's... Exactly as I want them. Either I,,
or she will get the material,, any type of marerial or color one wants...
She is the best,,, top notch,,,, however,, one pays for the best... The
average cost for a custom made Gi is about $100 to $150 dollars,,
depending on the cost of material...
To me,, worth every cent... I can drop $200 on a Shirado...
and not get the same quality... The best part,, she is local
to me,,, Located in Whitman, Massachusetts...
Take care....
I also had trouble once trying to find the type and color, Gi I wanted,,
So I found an expert, to make it for me....
I know a great professional custom : Suit,,, Dress,,, Karate Gi,, what
type of clothing one wants,, maker. She is top notch,,, She has made
me a number of custom made Gi's... Exactly as I want them. Either I,,
or she will get the material,, any type of marerial or color one wants...
She is the best,,, top notch,,,, however,, one pays for the best... The
average cost for a custom made Gi is about $100 to $150 dollars,,
depending on the cost of material...
To me,, worth every cent... I can drop $200 on a Shirado...
and not get the same quality... The best part,, she is local
to me,,, Located in Whitman, Massachusetts...
Take care....
Jay Sal
Semper Fi
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