300 Spartans had the way! Frank milller: Were all spoiled.

AAAhmed46 · Post by **AAAhmed46** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 5:22 am

My issue isn't with the movie, or with the Spartans.

It's with Frank miller.

Oh and i edited and added to my previous post.

Bill Glasheen · Post by **Bill Glasheen** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 5:23 am

I listened to the link - just now. I wanted to do so after first having seen the movie.

I may offend you, Adam. But what he says resonates with me. And what Thumper wrote seems also to resonate with me.

I disagree with your premise that the movie shows cultures as black and white. They showed the Greeks as highly flawed - just as the United States is. They showed them warts and all with their superstitions, their "eugenics" as Ian put it, etc., etc. Nothing was hidden.

Lots has been written about the Spartans. It wasn't a foo foo club for the rich to join. They were unique warriors. They were so unique that the MCMAP highlights their warrior society along with other such ancient civilizations in their outside reading material.

- Bill

AAAhmed46 · Post by **AAAhmed46** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 5:25 am

What? that we cant make airplanes?
Cant make microphones or civiliztions?
You honestly think that?

Hell the genital mutilation is a completly different issue all together, an AFRICAN issue.

Bill Glasheen · Post by **Bill Glasheen** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 5:25 am

I totally get what Frank Miller is saying. What can I say?

It resonates with me. And it makes total sense now that I've seen the movie. I understand why he took this project on.

- Bill

AAAhmed46 · Post by **AAAhmed46** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 5:28 am

Actually the graphic novel was made long before the movie or 9/11.

I edited my previous post as well.

Bill Glasheen · Post by **Bill Glasheen** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 5:29 am

I think you are taking offense when you shouldn't. The classic phantom insult.

Frank Miller is right that there is a dark culture which wants to bring us all back centuries. They abhor modern civilization, and yet they use it against us. He's pretty much describing al qaeda.

Frank Miller is not trashing the entire Muslim religion.

- Bill

AAAhmed46 · Post by **AAAhmed46** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 5:30 am

And if you read his previous works, like i have, i was his biggest fan, he is very anti-democratic, and has been accused of promoting fascism.

i I used to think it was a joke, but apparently it isn't.

Bill Glasheen · Post by **Bill Glasheen** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 5:33 am

Listen to the interview again. Then look at all the evil going on around the world. It isn't all in one culture, people, or religion.

Frank Miller's point is that not all civilizations are created equal. But his point is NOT that all evil is encompassed in one civilization.

- Bill

AAAhmed46 · Post by **AAAhmed46** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 5:33 am

Bill Glasheen wrote:I think you are taking offense when you shouldn't. The classic phantom insult.

Frank Miller is right that there is a dark culture which wants to bring us all back centuries. They abhor modern civilization, and yet they use it against us. He's pretty much describing al qaeda.

Frank Miller is not trashing the entire Muslim religion.

- Bill

It's possible, ill give you that.

But he makes many statements that lump together.

And was very emotional, he could barely keep himself in check.

He was not in a rational state of mind, in such a mindset people tend to clump all people together.

Plus he said ''all cultures and beleif systems are not equal''

Maybe, but there are MANY in the muslim world. So which one?

My arguement is that.....was he in a rational mindset to have his statements in a rational context?

His voice broke so much he could not continue talking.

Bill Glasheen · Post by **Bill Glasheen** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 5:37 am

Read through my posts, Adam. You're writing too fast. You've been emotionally hijacked by him when I think you shouldn't be.

Sleep on it, brother.

- Bill

Glenn · Post by **Glenn** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 5:38 am

Keep in mind through this discussion that the movie's events take place in 490 BC, before Islam began. Most of the Persians of that time followed Zoroastrianism, one of the oldest monotheistic religions in the world. There are only about 200,000 Zoroastrians today, the largest group being the Parsi of India. Even with these small descendant cultures existing today, for the movie we are talking about a culture that existed almost 2500 years ago. Connections between the Persians/Zoroastrians of that time and the Persians and/or Zoroastrians of today are tenuous at best. Different times, different cultures, different societal/political goals. Connections between the Persians/Zoroastrians of that time and Islam of today simply do not exist.

I seem to recall a similar uproar in certain Eastern European countries, particularly Hungary, over how Disney portrayed the Huns in Mulan.

By this same mindset current Italians should be upset by any unflattering portrayals of ancient Romans and current Greeks should be upset by unflattering portrayals of ancient Greeks, both of which have many times been portrayed with homosexuality. And we should all be upset by the Geico caveman ads!

Hollywood tends to be unflattering to every culture at some point or another, mostly about America but ironically that is overlooked in these discussions.

AAAhmed46 · Post by **AAAhmed46** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 5:44 am

It's not about the movie.

On mulan:

I was pretty much irritated by that too, even as a child i thought to myself how that was some strange imagery.

I enjoyed the movie though.

And ill probably enjoy 300 when i see it.

Yes ill see it

I was at a time, a very very big frank miller fan.

Glenn · Post by **Glenn** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 5:49 am

AAAhmed46 wrote: It's not about the movie.

Maybe not for you, but for many who complain, it is the movie.

AAAhmed46 · Post by **AAAhmed46** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 5:51 am

Remember True lies?

I really enjoyed that.

The reason Miller's comments his home is because i really admired frank miller.

AAAhmed46 · Post by **AAAhmed46** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 5:53 am

Glenn wrote:
AAAhmed46 wrote: It's not about the movie.
Maybe not for you, but for many who complain, it is the movie.

I meant to say the THREAD isn't about the movie.

It's about Millers comments.