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jorvik
Can you go into a little more detail? What was up with this guy?jorvik wrote:Hi Jim.Went to see the leung ting guy tonight.......absoluetly pathetic, It really *****. I don't half envy you having been able to find a proper Sifu....still. I have got a few options left.
I don't live up a Welsh mountain....but I wish I did!!.........maybe one day
Jim
Moy Yat Ving Tsun Kung-Fu
Rest in peace dear teacher: Moy Yat Sifu
Rest in peace dear teacher: Moy Yat Sifu
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jorvik
HI JIM]
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"Can you go into a little more detail? What was up with this guy?"
When I got there the guy who was teaching said that he wasn't the instructor, but that he was a trainee instructor that his instructor was away getting lessons from his Sifu. I said ok.....I was really interested in doing Chi Sao..and that was my real interest in WC...he said it would be a year and a half before he was qualified to teach Chi Sao. I said ok can I try out a lesson. Then he started to teach...he said we are not going to do wc tonight we are going to do some boxing and show how it relates to WC and taught a jab and a cross....had everybody doing it, and just sat and watched
.....I said I can already box, and I'd leave it thankyouverymuch
Now a good friend of mine learnt Leung Tings WC..under the head guy in England...basically what this guy would do is start somebody off with very little knowledge of the system as a trainee instructor. The fees were pretty high and on top of that he would grade on the forms but split them up...so that you would do the first third of si lum do for one grading..this guy eventually broke away from Leung Ting and formed his own group taking all the schools that he had built up for Leung Ting. Leung Ting has only made a come back here in very recent years.
Now I have always been interested in WC, and when my friend started doing WC with that guy about 15 years ago, I went along and took my MA instructor with me coz he was interested in WC....now this guy was a MA fanatic, he was teaching me Escrima, but he had brown belts in Kendo and Uechi, black belts in Aiki and another style which I forget., he knew a couple of Tai Chi forms and he was a boxing coach.
He did Chi Sao with Leung Tings head man......and tied him up...I don't know what you'd call it, he trapped him like in Lap Sau Gwa Choi
....and he was the first to admit that his WC was of a very low order........so I didn't continue with the WC.My impression of the LT organisation is that the butter is spread very thin on the bread, and that it is more based on " Pyramid Selling" than anything else, I think Emin Botepze..the guy who fought William Cheung has broken away from LT as well, and also formed his own organisation in the US.
My friend broke away from this guy..and still taught some WC, but he liked other stuff, I trained at his club for a while but my hip was deteriating fast and I was in too much pain to continue..I could do the WC but he used to do a bit of Thai Boxing, wrestling that sort of thing and end the night with some full contact sparring and I just couldn't do it
.......Anyway, my friend packed his club in a while back, and doesn't want the hassle of teaching again. Otherwise I'd train with him 
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"Can you go into a little more detail? What was up with this guy?"
When I got there the guy who was teaching said that he wasn't the instructor, but that he was a trainee instructor that his instructor was away getting lessons from his Sifu. I said ok.....I was really interested in doing Chi Sao..and that was my real interest in WC...he said it would be a year and a half before he was qualified to teach Chi Sao. I said ok can I try out a lesson. Then he started to teach...he said we are not going to do wc tonight we are going to do some boxing and show how it relates to WC and taught a jab and a cross....had everybody doing it, and just sat and watched
.....I said I can already box, and I'd leave it thankyouverymuch Now a good friend of mine learnt Leung Tings WC..under the head guy in England...basically what this guy would do is start somebody off with very little knowledge of the system as a trainee instructor. The fees were pretty high and on top of that he would grade on the forms but split them up...so that you would do the first third of si lum do for one grading..this guy eventually broke away from Leung Ting and formed his own group taking all the schools that he had built up for Leung Ting. Leung Ting has only made a come back here in very recent years.
Now I have always been interested in WC, and when my friend started doing WC with that guy about 15 years ago, I went along and took my MA instructor with me coz he was interested in WC....now this guy was a MA fanatic, he was teaching me Escrima, but he had brown belts in Kendo and Uechi, black belts in Aiki and another style which I forget., he knew a couple of Tai Chi forms and he was a boxing coach.
He did Chi Sao with Leung Tings head man......and tied him up...I don't know what you'd call it, he trapped him like in Lap Sau Gwa Choi
....and he was the first to admit that his WC was of a very low order........so I didn't continue with the WC.My impression of the LT organisation is that the butter is spread very thin on the bread, and that it is more based on " Pyramid Selling" than anything else, I think Emin Botepze..the guy who fought William Cheung has broken away from LT as well, and also formed his own organisation in the US.
My friend broke away from this guy..and still taught some WC, but he liked other stuff, I trained at his club for a while but my hip was deteriating fast and I was in too much pain to continue..I could do the WC but he used to do a bit of Thai Boxing, wrestling that sort of thing and end the night with some full contact sparring and I just couldn't do it
.......Anyway, my friend packed his club in a while back, and doesn't want the hassle of teaching again. Otherwise I'd train with him Jorvik,
Well that explains it.
If there's no chi sao then there ain't no WCK.
Just shows how lucky are those of us who live near major cities that have Chinatowns in them. Still it takes 1 hour to get to my school for me, but worth every minute.
Perhaps the other expensive guy actually has some WCK.
Were they doing any chi sao there?
If you have any chi sao experience then you could certainly try him out or just observe. Did you ever get to do any chi sao with your freind? If so what did you get up to and what hand positions?
Where in England are you? Perhaps there is some real WCK further away from you but that you could visit a couple of times a week.
Good luck in the search,
Jim
Well that explains it.
If there's no chi sao then there ain't no WCK.
Just shows how lucky are those of us who live near major cities that have Chinatowns in them. Still it takes 1 hour to get to my school for me, but worth every minute.
Perhaps the other expensive guy actually has some WCK.
Were they doing any chi sao there?
If you have any chi sao experience then you could certainly try him out or just observe. Did you ever get to do any chi sao with your freind? If so what did you get up to and what hand positions?
Where in England are you? Perhaps there is some real WCK further away from you but that you could visit a couple of times a week.
Good luck in the search,
Jim
Moy Yat Ving Tsun Kung-Fu
Rest in peace dear teacher: Moy Yat Sifu
Rest in peace dear teacher: Moy Yat Sifu
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jorvik
JIM
I've sent you a PM, if it got through ok...I'll speak some more
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As to my friend we only really touched on Chi Sao a little..he is very good and has got lots of other stuff that he showed as well, nasty little finger locks that I was trying to learn that really fit in well with Aiki.....the club was pretty small..but lots of quality people went to him...third dans from Karate....Shukokai....I think
...got to run, I can hear a mountain calling me
I've sent you a PM, if it got through ok...I'll speak some more
..........As to my friend we only really touched on Chi Sao a little..he is very good and has got lots of other stuff that he showed as well, nasty little finger locks that I was trying to learn that really fit in well with Aiki.....the club was pretty small..but lots of quality people went to him...third dans from Karate....Shukokai....I think
...got to run, I can hear a mountain calling me 