McCain chooses Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska

[AAAhmed46]

The pastor whose prayer Sarah Palin says helped her to become governor of Alaska founded his ministry with a witchhunt against a Kenyan woman who he accused of causing car accidents through demonic spells.

At a speech at the Wasilla Assembly of God on June 8 this year, Mrs Palin described how Thomas Muthee had laid his hands on her when he visited the church as a guest preacher in late 2005, prior to her successful gubernatorial bid. In video footage of the speech, she is seen saying: “As I was mayor and Pastor Muthee was here and he was praying over me, and you know how he speaks and he’s so bold. And he was praying “Lord make a way, Lord make a way.”
“And I’m thinking, this guy’s really bold, he doesn’t even know what I’m going to do, he doesn’t know what my plans are. And he’s praying not “oh Lord if it be your will may she become governor,” no, he just prayed for it. He said “Lord make a way and let her do this next step. And that’s exactly what happened.”
She then adds: “So, again, very very powerful, coming from this church,” before the presiding pastor comments on the “prophetic power” of the event.


An African evangelist, Pastor Muthee has given guest sermons at the Wasilla Assembly of God on at least 10 occasions in his role as the founder of the Word of Faith Church, also known as the Prayer Cave.
Pastor Muthee founded the Prayer Cave in 1989 in Kiambu, Kenya after “God spoke” to him and his late wife Margaret and called him to the country, according to the church’s website.
The pastor speaks of his offensive against a demonic presence in the town in a trailer for the evangelical video “Transformations”, made by Sentinel Group, a Christian research and information agency.


“We prayed, we fasted, the Lord showed us a spirit of witchcraft resting over the place,” Pastor Muthee says.
After the spirit was broken, the crime rate dropped to almost zero and there was “explosive church growth” while almost every bar in the town closed down, the video says.
The full Transformations video featuring Pastor Muthee’s story has recently been removed from YouTube but the rest of the story is detailed in a 1999 article in the Christian Science Monitor, as well as on numerous evangelical websites.
According to the Christian Science Monitor, six months of fervent prayer and research identified the source of the witchcraft as a local woman called Mama Jane, who ran a “divination” centre called the Emmanuel Clinic.
Her alleged involvement in fortune-telling and the fact that she lived near the site of a number of fatal car accidents led Pastor Muthee to publicly declare her a witch responsible for the town’s ills, and order her to offer her up her soul for salvation or leave Kiambu.


Says the Monitor, “Muthee held a crusade that “brought about 200 people to Christ”.” They set up round-the-clock prayer intercession in the basement of a grocery store and eventually, says the pastor “the demonic influence – the ‘principality’ over Kiambu –was broken”, and Mama Jane fled the town.
According to accounts of the witchhunt circulated on evangelical websites such as Prayer Links Ministries, after Pastor Muthee declared Mama Jane a witch, the townspeople became suspicious and began to turn on her, demanding that she be stoned. Public outrage eventually led the police to raid her home, where they fired gunshots, killing a pet python which they believed to be a demon.


After Mama Jane was questioned by police – and released – she decided it was time to leave town, the account says.
Pastor Muthee has frequently referred to this witchhunt in his sermons as an example of the power of “spiritual warfare”. In October 2005, he delivered ten sermons at the Wasilla Assembly of God, the audio of which was available on the church’s website until it was removed around the time Mrs Palin’s candidacy was announced. The blog Irregular Times has listings and screen grabs of the sermons.
It was during that these sermons that Mrs Palin, who was then preparing for her gubernatorial run, was anointed by Pastor Muthee. His intercession, she says, was “awesome”.
Her June 8 speech was to mark the graduation of students from the Wasilla Assembly of God’s Masters’ Commission, which, as Pastor Ed Kalins explains, believes Alaska will be the refuge for American evangelicals upon the coming “End of Days”. After her speech, Mrs Palin was presented with an honorary Masters’ Commission diploma.



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How does this look after hooting about Obama's scary afro- church, i mean god, does she really want separation of church and state?

Scary Negros are always more scary than scary honkeys.

At least their religious zeal is American right?

I probably would not be reacting against McCain so strongly if it wasn't for Palin. I mean this schit scares me.

Yeah, Amedenejad(yes i know spelling) is a worse 'end of days' fanatic , and i would be posting even more vile schit on him if i could influence Iranian votes. But i can't, i can however POSSIBLY infleunce this.

If we could affect Ahmedenejads power by posting, and i had a choice between him and palin, i would jump at Ahmedenijad, no question, and ignore him over Palin.

But fact is, i DO have the power to influence whats going on down south(well i assume i do)

So i let people know about this with Palin, because i have some degree of power in this regards. If i did for ahme i would.

Though i will say i agree with her about going into the borders of Pakistan, as long as they don't try to wreck the whole country. But that has nothing to do with the whole crazy aspect does it?

[AAAhmed46]

I'm living in a blue state, Bill. So I don't get what you're saying. I have no idea what situations are like in many cities, but in Boston- and keep in mind my wife has taught from kindergarten to HS and in between- the kids are DISASTERS. The other day I walked into the men's room to find a 4 year old girl climbing out of the toilet. Many of my wife's fourth graders didn't know how to read. I've called the police on kids attacking other kids with baseball bats. I'm not making this stuff up about the red states, Bill. Point not taken.

Wow, kids really are stupid.

[Bill Glasheen]

I'm living in a blue state, Bill. So I don't get what you're saying. I have no idea what situations are like in many cities, but in Boston- and keep in mind my wife has taught from kindergarten to HS and in between- the kids are DISASTERS. The other day I walked into the men's room to find a 4 year old girl climbing out of the toilet. Many of my wife's fourth graders didn't know how to read. I've called the police on kids attacking other kids with baseball bats. I'm not making this stuff up about the red states, Bill. Point not taken.

Wow, kids really are stupid.

That depends on where you are from, Adam. Personally I cannot identify. Such things happen, for sure. But they aren't really the norm, or at least most certainly not where I live.

I was intentionally dichotomizing in my example with the "red vs. blue" states thing. And there was a touch of irony in my commentary. The point is that different parts of this country can be worlds apart in their thinking, and the way they approach problems. To think that something which works in Boston is going to work in Peoria or vice versa is not thinking at all. The truth is, you get what you ask for. There is no typical American, and no typical community. We aren't even a melting pot any more; we are the American salad bowl.

I do however believe in one of the mottos of my high school alma mater. Finis origine pendet - the end depends upon the beginning. With that in mind, be careful what you wish for.

For what it's worth... I spend quite a bit of time in Boston, as my home office is in the downtown area near South Station. I've even had offers to be moved up there. I'm somewhat familiar with the area, and with the thinking of the myriad residents. I've also been the guest of many greater Boston area karate friends through the years, going all the way back to 1977. Oh and I went to prep school just north of there.

Boston is what it is.

- Bill

[TSDguy]

The bill was for Chicago, not Burr Oak, Kansas. And yes, Adam city kids ARE stupid, but their parents aren't helping anything.

It's tough to get a handle on what Boston is REALLY like because the areas people know about are the very wealthy downtown area and the ultra-mega rich suburbs. I've been fortunate enough to live in Back Bay, one of the nicest areas of the city; Brookline, a wealthy jewishy area; Somerville, a kind of liberal student extension of Cambridge (parts anyway); the border of Roxbury, a desolate wasteland of black gangsters and Jamaica Plain, an aging hippie population being revitalized by newbie hippies; two areas of East Boston including a strongly old-boston Italian section and a Brazilian section. And of course living 'amongst the locals' by visiting every other area of the city. My conclusion: People are stupid and incompetent at raising children.

[AAAhmed46]

The bill was for Chicago, not Burr Oak, Kansas. And yes, Adam city kids ARE stupid, but their parents aren't helping anything.

It's tough to get a handle on what Boston is REALLY like because the areas people know about are the very wealthy downtown area and the ultra-mega rich suburbs. I've been fortunate enough to live in Back Bay, one of the nicest areas of the city; Brookline, a wealthy jewishy area; Somerville, a kind of liberal student extension of Cambridge (parts anyway); the border of Roxbury, a desolate wasteland of black gangsters and Jamaica Plain, an aging hippie population being revitalized by newbie hippies; two areas of East Boston including a strongly old-boston Italian section and a Brazilian section. And of course living 'amongst the locals' by visiting every other area of the city. My conclusion: People are stupid and incompetent at raising children.

Kids are also jerks too.

Sorry but they can be, i hated all my peers when i was growing up.

[Jason Rees]

I'll be interested to see what other news media sent their people into Alaska, or if, in the end, this is all being spoon-fed by DNC folks.

Should be interesting to see if this story gets picked up by more outlets (I'm sure it will), and what other news is brought to light because of it.

I wonder if Palin will go with "I don't recall him ever talking about that."

[Bill Glasheen]

My conclusion: People are stupid and incompetent at raising children.

You are entitled to your opinion.

And if you have anything to do with government, I don't want you or any of your friends having any part of raising my kids. Yes, the fact that you'd say this makes ME - a parent of two boys - bristle. What would you expect?

This is Hillary-think. Her "village" concept is the very thing some folks love about her, and other folks hate about her.



It really gets back to fundamental political beliefs. Do you have faith in and promote a traditional family unit, or do you believe government does a better job? For those who believe the former, they see that the latter over time means more and more tax dollars to promote government programs, and more and more manufactured dependency on said system.

As a libertarian, I say "Thanks but no thanks."

FWIW... most good educators I know of aren't combative with the parents. That's suicide. Education works best when parents and the teacher are on the same page. It's smarter, cheaper, less adversarial, and more efficient.

Kids are also jerks too.

Sorry but they can be, i hated all my peers when i was growing up.

Adolescence is a reason many of us got into martial arts in the first place. Fortunately most of us grow out of it. Some don't ever...

Trust me... there are parents such as yours truly who pound it into their kids' heads that THEY shouldn't be that bully or jerk that other kids remember for the rest of their lives.

- Bill

[TSDguy]

I'm not saying the government needs to raise kids. I'm saying 1) there was a clause in the bill that said your kids don't have to receive the education so no reason NOT to offer it and 2) there are literally millions of kids in this country that need any guidance they can get and teachers provide a hell of a lot. It's irrelevant that you think you've educated your kids on sex; I found a little girl alone in the public men's restroom climbing out of a toilet. See what I'm getting at? Do you think she's at risk for getting pregnant? (edit: er, I mean when she's a few years older. Although I joked with my wife I should have raped the girl to teach the mom a lesson.)

[Jason Rees]

Although I joked with my wife I should have raped the girl to teach the mom a lesson.)

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[TSDguy]

I didn't DO it. It was my wife's idea anyway.

[Glenn]

Almost any idiot can have a kid, and many do...no training required!

[Glenn]

Nebraska Senator Hagel has not been one to tow the GOP party line, so it is not really surprising that he would be the one within his party to publically question Palin's qualifications.
GOP senator: A 'stretch' to say Palin is qualified

WASHINGTON - Nebraska Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel said his party's vice presidential nominee, Sarah Palin, lacks foreign policy experience and called it a "stretch" to say she's qualified to be president.

"She doesn't have any foreign policy credentials," Hagel said in an interview published Thursday by the Omaha World-Herald. "You get a passport for the first time in your life last year? I mean, I don't know what you can say. You can't say anything."

Could Palin lead the country if GOP presidential nominee John McCain could not?

"I think it's a stretch to, in any way, to say that she's got the experience to be president of the United States," Hagel said.

McCain and other Republicans have defended Palin's qualifications, citing Alaska's proximity to Russia. Palin told ABC News, "They're our next-door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska."

Hagel took issue with that argument. "I think they ought to be just honest about it and stop the nonsense about, 'I look out my window and I see Russia and so therefore I know something about Russia,'" he said. "That kind of thing is insulting to the American people."

Hagel, a senior member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, has been a vocal critic of the Bush administration since the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

In July, Hagel traveled to Iraq and Afghanistan with Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama. Though he didn't expect to be asked, Hagel had said he would have considered serving as Obama's running mate.

Palin was mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, population 6,500, before becoming Alaska's governor in December 2006.

Palin visited soldiers in Kuwait and Germany last year and said in an interview with ABC News that her only other foreign travel had been to Mexico and Canada. She also said she had never met a foreign head of state.

Hagel told the newspaper that other governors have been elected to serve in the White House without experience in Washington. He said judgment and character were also important for the job.

"But I do think in a world that is so complicated, so interconnected and so combustible, you really got to have some people in charge that have some sense of the bigger scope of the world," Hagel said. "I think that's just a requirement."

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AAA

On the "laying on hands thing"--reads as thin to me with little linkage--other than Muthee being a "guest preacher" and encountering Palin once there seems to be no reason to tell the whole story of whom he is and what he belives....unless one were looking for reasons.

Similar to the stuff people are doing with Obama I might add.

At least the Obama's people/supporters tried very hard to make that argument about Pastor Wright.

What I'm saying is that if people essentially say such things don't matter in Obama's case then they shouldn't matter in Palins.

If people say it does matter then what are the facts?........in this case I would look at a really weird "guest preacher" and a man whom you served as your pastor for a 20 year period--baptised your kids and I belive the phase was the ma that "brought me to Christ" (something like that) and was important enough to you that you used his sermons to base a best selling book upon.

If Palin "scares the schit" out of you......for what may or may not be her relgious leanings....then so should Obama....and with more concrete reasons......and many more examples.

My point on the pres of Iran was less what you could personally "do" about it----and far more that were not talking about it.......yeah, I can't effect whom is going to be running Iran.........but IMO its seriously important that we understand that the guy trying to get his hands on a nuke----is for religious reasons, hanging gay people, executing women for defending themselves vs rape, publically speaks of commiting genocide of Isreal and the destructuion of the USA, and seems to belive that he could just cause enough chaos and kill enough people he can create a earthly paradise---which he does BTW.

Yeah, I concerned about our elected leaders pesonal faith and what they belive......but that is no excuse for not telling people what they need to know about the possible motivations of a guy looking to get a nuke.....IMO the media has failed us badly for not reporting this with the same enthusaium they have been reporting on Palin and Obama faiths and beliefs.

BTW--you hear that Iran is re-configuring some of its long range missiles to carry a nuke payload?

Where not paying enough attention to what is really dangerous and too much attention on what is largely a tempest in a teapot.....IMO, as always, could be wrong.

[Jason Rees]

Clarification for the rumor mill claiming she's for abstinance-only sex-ed:

""I'm pro-contraception, and I think kids who may not hear about it at home should hear about it in other avenues. So I am not anti-contraception. But, yeah, abstinence is another alternative that should be discussed with kids. I don't have a problem with that," - Sarah Palin

[Uechij]

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