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Er...Rich, does that make them American or French....
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French bravery - the classic oxymoron
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I think they just refer to them as ex-patriots. Back then, it probably had a fairly negative connotation.
Oh well.
Vicki
Oh well.
Vicki
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"Cry in the dojo, laugh in the battlefield"
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Good to see MC back on site. Take what I say about the French with a grain of salt. My dad's parents came to America from southern France about 100 years ago. My mom's came from the Warsaw region of Poland just a little later. I'm a second generation (nisei) American.
Grandpa Hippolyte Castanet was in the French army in the late 1800s and I have his discharge papers.
Some of my aunts and uncles spoke French/Polish as their first language. Later on they learned our American language and by the time I arrived in the early 50s no one spoke much in their native language. That is a shame as it would have been special to speak a second language.
Rich
Grandpa Hippolyte Castanet was in the French army in the late 1800s and I have his discharge papers.
Some of my aunts and uncles spoke French/Polish as their first language. Later on they learned our American language and by the time I arrived in the early 50s no one spoke much in their native language. That is a shame as it would have been special to speak a second language.
Rich
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Ted Nugent and Bill might have forgot but we haven’t !
Vandoo’s have been fighting and dying in Afghanistan along side yanks for some time. This fine regiment ranks up their with the best highland regiments.
Quebecois are fine folks and far from cowardly. Around a third of my nation and our military are cut from this cloth. They are fine folk! Over half my dojo is of Quebec decent. The boys in Edmonton already know that year after year, The Frenchies to the south of them have a tough time with accepting second place.
Don’t be surprised Bill if a few of these young lads from my dojo, full of the piss and vinegar of youth ask you to toe the line at camp one day. They will be entry level chaps looking to avenge your sullying their culture. I expect as you dispatch them one by one another will stand in his brother’s place. Go easy on them, or I too will stand the line with my French brothers!
Give your head a shake man! You are probably pissing off most of Canada. Don't know how the Uechika in France will take it. I guess if some register for camp we will get an idea.
Ted Nugent and Bill might have forgot but we haven’t !
Vandoo’s have been fighting and dying in Afghanistan along side yanks for some time. This fine regiment ranks up their with the best highland regiments.
Quebecois are fine folks and far from cowardly. Around a third of my nation and our military are cut from this cloth. They are fine folk! Over half my dojo is of Quebec decent. The boys in Edmonton already know that year after year, The Frenchies to the south of them have a tough time with accepting second place.
Don’t be surprised Bill if a few of these young lads from my dojo, full of the piss and vinegar of youth ask you to toe the line at camp one day. They will be entry level chaps looking to avenge your sullying their culture. I expect as you dispatch them one by one another will stand in his brother’s place. Go easy on them, or I too will stand the line with my French brothers!
Give your head a shake man! You are probably pissing off most of Canada. Don't know how the Uechika in France will take it. I guess if some register for camp we will get an idea.
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it`s just ignorance at it`s best , I enjoy as much as anyone poking fun at the french , that little bombing , and some rugby rivalry is all it takes ....
politically preaching the high ground , dont expect everyone to agree . You cant both thumb your noses at the international community and expect there support .
It`s no less a stereotype than me coming on here and branding the US warmongers ... It would be easy , but it`s not my point of veiw
I for one think theres a real potential for a much bigger conflict in the middle east within the next five years .
taking a cautious approach is no different than what the US did in WW2
(which in itself could be labelled cowardice , something else I dont subscribe too)
There are enough enemies out there already , this kind of bias wont motivate anyone , or build any alliances .
I just hope the politicians for once have more sense than to take such attitudes .
I wouldnt fight with you if you called me a coward , I might just fight against you .
politically preaching the high ground , dont expect everyone to agree . You cant both thumb your noses at the international community and expect there support .
It`s no less a stereotype than me coming on here and branding the US warmongers ... It would be easy , but it`s not my point of veiw
I for one think theres a real potential for a much bigger conflict in the middle east within the next five years .
taking a cautious approach is no different than what the US did in WW2
(which in itself could be labelled cowardice , something else I dont subscribe too)
There are enough enemies out there already , this kind of bias wont motivate anyone , or build any alliances .
I just hope the politicians for once have more sense than to take such attitudes .
I wouldnt fight with you if you called me a coward , I might just fight against you .
here is my two cents:
Before WW2, what was frances reputation as a nation?
Now, look at the chinese. They had good times in history, and had some really bad times.
When the golden horde came along, they were stepped on and oppressed more then any other nationality(even jews were treated better).
But now, china has Tibet, they are emerging as the next world power.
What makes you think the same isnt true with france? They are a first world nation, and compared to alot of countries have a decent enough economy.
You dont think they will rise to respect again?
This is but a small period in history, the last century. France has been around for a long long time.
Besides, americans are not far behind....
]http://38.119.88.24/mediah2/new_media3/ ... omment.wmv
I mean some on....an internet comment set her off?
Before WW2, what was frances reputation as a nation?
Now, look at the chinese. They had good times in history, and had some really bad times.
When the golden horde came along, they were stepped on and oppressed more then any other nationality(even jews were treated better).
But now, china has Tibet, they are emerging as the next world power.
What makes you think the same isnt true with france? They are a first world nation, and compared to alot of countries have a decent enough economy.
You dont think they will rise to respect again?
This is but a small period in history, the last century. France has been around for a long long time.
Besides, americans are not far behind....
]http://38.119.88.24/mediah2/new_media3/ ... omment.wmv
I mean some on....an internet comment set her off?
Naw...funny really
I`m french but Canadian first. I was treated poorly in the sixties having moved from a french community into english Canada with limited abilty to speak english. Fortunately enough Irish in me that could fight better than most the english wieny necks when taunting esculated to physical bullying (decendants of the British I always assummed they wereGive your head a shake man! You are probably pissing off most of Canada.
)I even had an English teacher (British chap with strong British accent fail me in French!8O ) My fault I guess...found his french accent funny.
As for Americans...Growing up I thought they weren`t all that bright based on what I seen thier tourist do or attempt. However, in all fairness the "dim" always shine in our memory.
At times you got to laugh at yourself, your country and even your culture/race.
Léo
Mary S.
Sacre Bleu, mes enfants! Je ne le se crois pas!
Your " Check out these American Heroes from ....gasp.... France" brought some thoughts to my besotted jingoism.
The French Foreign Legion - La Legion Etranger- were when we had some contact with them in the 60's -70's a true fighting force, not of the calibre of our SF's/SEALS/Rangers (or even SAS) [my simple minded American view - grin] but top notch. Look, they even had the good taste to oppose a leftist de Gaul. Too bad they failed.
French/American war heroes you listed had the most important qualifier "American". Could it be that the inate Gaulic bravery that Vercingetorix displayed against Caesar and neutralized by the effete types today as Messieurs Chirac and Ville de Bedpain, or what ever his name [grin++] is granted in the fertile soil freedom a venue to express itself?
Joking aside, any country, even my wondrful one, can be destroyed by liberal undermining. Vive le Resistance!
Also, Vive la France [when and if it has a Renaissance of conservative pride] Grin++
Wonderful day.
Your " Check out these American Heroes from ....gasp.... France" brought some thoughts to my besotted jingoism.
The French Foreign Legion - La Legion Etranger- were when we had some contact with them in the 60's -70's a true fighting force, not of the calibre of our SF's/SEALS/Rangers (or even SAS) [my simple minded American view - grin] but top notch. Look, they even had the good taste to oppose a leftist de Gaul. Too bad they failed.
French/American war heroes you listed had the most important qualifier "American". Could it be that the inate Gaulic bravery that Vercingetorix displayed against Caesar and neutralized by the effete types today as Messieurs Chirac and Ville de Bedpain, or what ever his name [grin++] is granted in the fertile soil freedom a venue to express itself?
Joking aside, any country, even my wondrful one, can be destroyed by liberal undermining. Vive le Resistance!
Also, Vive la France [when and if it has a Renaissance of conservative pride] Grin++
Wonderful day.
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Willy
There's no need for the French to go toe-to-toe with me. All they need to do is back up their own words on the world stage. It was good to see France step up when all hell was breaking loose between Hezbollah and Israel. But when it came time to execute, France shirked its responsibility. So guess what happens when Israel sees the European peace force isn't?
Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose.
And besides, look back at the original post. All I did is quote a host of others. So what we have here is a case of an army wishing to shoot the messenger. That doesn't seem very productive to me.
First, humor is device used to convey unpleasant truths. Those who use it should be able to laugh at themselves. And if they can't, then that in itself is revealing.
Second, before the French wish to preach to any of us about how to deal with Muslim radicalism, they ought first to hold up a mirror.
Hitler wasn't the only outside political force to take Paris by storm. And it isn't getting any better there.
This is a WORLD problem. Talk is cheap.
As for meeting me to express themselves, woulda coulda shoulda. Tell them to get their asses to camp. The beer is going stale.
You too, Willy!
- Bill
There's no need for the French to go toe-to-toe with me. All they need to do is back up their own words on the world stage. It was good to see France step up when all hell was breaking loose between Hezbollah and Israel. But when it came time to execute, France shirked its responsibility. So guess what happens when Israel sees the European peace force isn't?
-- WSJBEIRUT, Lebanon -- Israeli commandos raided a Hezbollah stronghold deep in Lebanon on Saturday, engaging in a fierce gunbattle, and the Lebanese government threatened to halt further troop deployments in protest as the six-day-old United Nation's brokered cease-fire was put to a critical test. U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan called the operation a violation of the U.N. truce.
Israel said the raid was launched to stop arms smuggling from Iran and Syria to the militant Shiite fighters, while Lebanon's Prime Minister Fuad Siniora called the operation a "flagrant violation" of the U.N. truce. An Israeli officer was killed during the raid, and two soldiers were wounded, one seriously.
There were no signs of further clashes, but the flare-up underlined worries about the fragility of the cease-fire as the U.N. pleaded for nations to send troops to an international force in southern Lebanon that is to separate Israeli and Hezbollah fighters.
Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose.
And besides, look back at the original post. All I did is quote a host of others. So what we have here is a case of an army wishing to shoot the messenger. That doesn't seem very productive to me.
First, humor is device used to convey unpleasant truths. Those who use it should be able to laugh at themselves. And if they can't, then that in itself is revealing.
Second, before the French wish to preach to any of us about how to deal with Muslim radicalism, they ought first to hold up a mirror.
-- BBC
Last Autumn, France experienced its worst violence in nearly 40 years.
In three weeks of rioting, more than 10,000 vehicles were burned, hundreds of schools and public buildings attacked, and almost 5,000 people arrested.
Hitler wasn't the only outside political force to take Paris by storm. And it isn't getting any better there.
This is a WORLD problem. Talk is cheap.
As for meeting me to express themselves, woulda coulda shoulda. Tell them to get their asses to camp. The beer is going stale.
You too, Willy!
- Bill
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A Few Good Men
But there are those willing to step up when it counts.
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-- WSJAssociated Press
August 20, 2006 3:53 p.m.
JERUSALEM -- Prime Minister Ehud Olmert asked Italy to head a United Nations peace force in Lebanon, and to deploy troops to oversee Lebanon's border with Syria, which Israel says is smuggling arms to the Lebanese Hezbollah militia, Mr. Olmert's office said in a statement.
The statement said that in a telephone conversation with Mr. Olmert, Italian Premier Romano Prodi said his country intended to send a "significant military force." In an interview with Rome daily Il Messaggero published Sunday, a leader of Prodi's coalition said Italy would be willing to lead the proposed 15,000-member force if asked by the U.N.
